If you think creationists are the most stupid people on the planet, think again. I have been debating with some delusional HIV denialists who sometimes sound more stupid than Kent Hovind. There is just no pinning down of what those kooks actually believe, and they often scream about how mainstream science is 'persecuting' them when you actually pin them down on a point.
Wait a second....doesn't this remind you of the usual cretinshit creationist tactics? I guess it is true that kooks birds of a feather flock together.
Now, for an introduction to the world of HIV/AIDS denialism.
Variations on what denialists believe:
- HIV does not exist.
- HIV is harmless. (I'm not making this one up.)
- HIV was intentionally created by humans. (Don't they just love to emulate conspiracy theorists?)
- AIDS does not exist.
- AIDS is merely a tautology.
- AIDS does exist but it is not caused by HIV. It can be caused by anything else, except HIV. (Some denialists claim that stress causes AIDS.)
- AIDS is caused by anti-retrovirals.
- There is a cure for AIDS (not anti-retrovirals), but it is being hidden from the people by the pharmaceutical companies. (The same old kook theory).
- Denialists have invented a 'naturopathic' cure for AIDS.
- Claiming that Dr. So-and-so is skeptical about the finer details of the link between HIV and AIDS, so the denialists are right.
- Claiming that only HIV+ people are allowed to talk about the HIV/AIDS issue.
- Ad-hominem attacks.
- Dragging irrelevant issues into the debate.
- Cherry-picking from available research.
- Cutting and pasting bits of research papers from PubMed.
- Misquoting.
- Claiming that they're being persecuted by mainstream science.
- Claiming that science supports their case without having done any research.
- Accusing the pro-science side of having monetary interests in the debate.
- Accusing the scientific establishment of being 'dogmatic'. (Isn't the irony a bit thick?)
- Not understanding science at all. (Although they understand denialist literature perfectly well).
- Screeching 'Mr. Denier here has a degree....so he's right.
- They fail to submit papers to peer-reviewed scientific journals.
8 comments:
In my opinion, people such as yourself, who are neither gay nor threatened by the HIV paradigm have absolutely no right whatsoever to spread your own toxic beliefs to the effected public.
And no matter what kind of an ignorant thick headed and stubborn fool you have been, or that you become in the future, God nonetheless still loves you as much as anyone else on this planet. Even if you are as yet unable to love your own self or love anyone else.
if you are an example of what an expensive university education calls
knowledgeable , god help those of us who have been diagnosed as hiv positive and forced to take toxic AIDS causing arvs - like azt combinations - when we have no sign of any disease or illness other than a viral load with an error margin of 300% up or down - you go up , you have 'full blown aids' even in the absence of illness, and a cd4 count marker that only meansure t cells in the peripheral blood system where only 10% of t cells are for one thing as they can and do migrate through out the body system - and if you took 5 tests at intervals in one day , you can return results that vary from 200 to 800 and as low as 100- in healthy people. but low and behold because we found one protein to hinge it all on , we coerce 1000's of people onto medications that have killed them . i know i am hiv positive for 10 years - never ill not a sore nothing until i had to take medications with AZT - then i developed several conditions all called hiv illnesses. they were caused by the meds. the same with several friends. i stopped taking them and spent a small fortune on herbal restoration of my body system - to correct the damage caused by meds. the entire foundation of the hiv aids establishment is corrupt. you have not quoted one real fact here from the so called dissident camp . you
are a bunch of online over indoctrinated lab rats .
Did you know Jonathan Wells is an Aids denialist as well as an ID theorist?
Holy shit, they pop up right out of the gate! What kind of fantasy world do you people live in? Is it nice there? Can I visit?
"In my opinion, people such as yourself, who are neither gay nor threatened by the HIV paradigm have absolutely no right whatsoever to spread your own toxic beliefs to the effected public."
Bullshit. From the first second you start spewing misinformed lies. This is worse than the usual fundie line, which just states that gays have a greater likelihood of contracting the disease. You've gone so far as to suggest that only gay people CAN get AIDS. HIV/AIDS is not a "gay disease," and it doesn't ask what orientation you are before infecting you.
Whose beliefs are "toxic?"
Created Rationalist (My, what a creative name there!),
Yes, I'm aware of that. I also noticed that most of the raving ID kooks are also global warming denialists.
*sigh... at least we can take some recognizance in the fact that nobody listens to hiv/aids denialists?
DL certainly seems to have drank the denialist Kool-Aid.
I'm a God denier, but I do have something to deny with a firm scientific basis.
Oh, and thanks for giving me the inspiration to write a new blog (on denialism to be precise).
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