With enemies like these, who needs friends? --Evolved Rationalist on creationists.
The closet YECs over at Uncommonly Dense are pissing in their pants over this article in Nature: A religious group has had its application to offer Master of Science degrees rejected by Texas authorities. The Institute for Creation Research— which backs a literal interpretation of the Bible, including the creation of Earth in six days — was seeking a certificate to grant online degrees in science education in Texas (see Nature 451, 1030; 2008). But the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board voted unanimously last week not to grant the institute’s request, following the recommendation of Raymund Paredes, the state’s commissioner of higher education.
Okay, so far so good. The Institute for Certified Retards (ICR) is a young-earth religious Babble-thumping ministry who tries to push unscientific, discredited bullshit on the public, and their application to infect the education system with their lies was rightfully rejected. What the IDiotic goon over at UD said next made me almost bash my head on the desk in frustration: Religious belief is not science? Does Paredes feel that “religious” people can’t teach adequate science? He’s right, “religious belief is not science,” but should creationists be barred from teaching/offering degrees because of their beliefs? EXPELLED!
Talk about missing the point completely. Now, IDiot, you got it right when you admitted that religious belief is not science. What you don't seem to get is that nobody, not even those 'evil Darwinists' you goons keep raving about think that religious people can't teach science. Where the fuck did you even get that idea? The ICR was not barred from offering degrees because they were affiliated with Christianity. They were not expelled. They were flunked because their degrees did not meet the requirements of the board. Again, they wanted to teach bullshit and offer degrees in bullshit, but their bullshit is not science and does not meet the requirements of the education board, so their bullshit was flunked out of the scientific arena. Is that really so hard to understand?
What happened to the ICR was exactly what would have happened if the Flat Earth Society started offering degrees in flat-earthism, or Scientologists started offering degrees in Xenu-science. 'Creation science' or 'intelligent design' or whatever the fuck they want to call it this time is not science and does not belong in science classrooms.
No matter how much the IDiots choose to lie about this issue, the simple fact is that nobody was barred from teaching science because of their religion. ICR was not allowed to offer degrees not because their members were Christians, but because they were teaching bullshit. We don't see devout religious people like Kenneth Miller getting expelled from their positions, do we?
If you think that episode of IDiotic failure is bad enough, the comments bring out the closet YEC IDiots who fit comfortably under the IDiotic 'big tent'. Scroll through the comments, and you will see blatant fundie Babble-thumping, god worshipping, YEC arguments and a truckload of massive fail.
If you want to be reminded yet again about why ID should not be taught in science classrooms, take a look at this comment by Salvador Cordova:I personally hope the YEC enterprise succeeds. But there are some days the problems for the hypothesis seem insurmountable. I have tried to persist. I hope God will help with evidential discoveries, especially in cosmology and plausible mechanisms for accelerated decay…
Wow. Just wow. That's IDiot science for you, folks. He admits that there are terrible problems with YEC, but he is trudging along because of his literal belief in the Bible and hopes and prays that god will help find evidence for YEC. After failing to get any evidence for his YEC idiocy, all he can do now is to babble for his imaginary sky daddy to miraculously make it all fall into place. If the IDiots had their way, scientists would be praying instead of making medical discoveries and we would hurtle back to the Dark Ages and .....
*shudder*
This is why ID is not science, was not science, and never will be science.
Friday, May 2, 2008
IDiots fail to comprehend the issue
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OK, I think I'm seeing into the future...
"SHALINI SEHKAR DOES SUPPORT EXPELLING PEOPLE FOR QUESTION NAZI DARWINISM!!!!
Shalini Sehkar EXPOSED!!!!!!!!"
Wait for it... Wait for it...
When Darwinists cannot refute our arguments, they resort to calling our theories bullshit. Evolution is a theory in crisis that is going to do down anytime now, thank G-d.
Cetacea, yes Darwinists have been exposed to be liars and persecuting creationists.
All aboard the failboat!
Actually, 12, it's the people behind Expelled who've been shown to be liars. . . .
"When Darwinists cannot refute our arguments, they resort to calling our theories bullshit. Evolution is a theory in crisis that is going to do down anytime now, thank G-d."
The case for youngearth creationism has been largely refuted I am afraid (not a good postion for a believer to support). What are your best arguments against evolution?
christislord
awww are you being persecuted, little man?
what would happen were I to post comments on some fundie board about how the Pentateuch probably WASN'T cobbled together by Moses in his spare time as he shepherded his flock of whiny, ungrateful Hebrews through the Sinai? Or that the whole Old Testament up to and including the Book of Job is probably an artefact of the Babylonian Captivity? or if I were to cite ANY of the research that has been done in the past 50 years by real Biblical scholars, instead of the semiliterates who "teach" at your backwoods baptist MADRASA?
Why, my comments would be deleted and all further comments would be blocked.
For that matter, no other site in the atheist blogosphere hosts this kind of polemic between reasonable people and pinheads.
The author of this blog, for reasons best known to herself, allows you people to drool on her furniture and smear your feces on her walls
you call this persecution???
You people yell persecution the minute someone stands up to you because, for you, the very idea not everybody agrees with you is anathema. That is why you people hate democracy and want to replace it with an Old Testament style theocracy. How did your man Huckabee put it.."bring the constitution into harmony with God's ('scuse ME, G-d's) Law.
You people have this dominionist project to impose your religion on the whole country...and YOU are being persecuted every time some nut gets diciplined for burning crosses on kids' arms, or preaching his religion in a science class????
None of this matters. After November there will be no more taxpayer money to support your various "faith-based" scams. No journalists will be rushing to your buffoonish spiritual leaders for sound bites on morality. The conversation around the national supper table will once again be for the grown ups.
We are being persecuted, ridiculed and mocked every day. When Jesus returns knees shall bow! Look at EXPELLED, see how we are being hounded by the Darwinian Inquisition.
You are too rude, Evolved. Tone it down.
I am a scientist at Answers in Genesis, and what happened to ICR is terrible!!!!!!
Shalini Sehkar EXPOSED as a Darwinist who supports persecution and murder of creationists, possibly! She said we should get out of the gene pool! Just like Hitler!!!!!!!
Cetacea is right! Shalini Sehkar has been EXPOSED so many times as a liar and a Darwinist fraud and closet Nazi!
Creationist,
Godwin's Law FAIL.
Jack the concern troll,
I'm too rude, am I now?
If you can't take the heat, fuck off. Thanks.
christislord12,
I hope you have some extra boxes of Kleenex. You sure seem excited to get on your knees, you fucking wanker. Why all the public penis flogging? You sure aren’t making any arguments or putting up any proof.
Jack,
Write your own blog and be a pussy on your own terms. What a bitch.
I think the title of your Blog applies to you -- but, you probably fail to see the irony in what you write.
Patricia, care to elaborate?
"Shalini Sehkar EXPOSED as a Darwinist who supports persecution and murder of creationists, possibly! She said we should get out of the gene pool! Just like Hitler!!!!!!!"
Ooh... my prediction was so accurate... I need to go into business as a phoney psychic on Montel Williams.
So you support that the ICR was expelled?
creationist said...
I am a scientist at Answers in Genesis, and what happened to ICR is terrible!!!!!!
What a lying sack of shit.
There are no scientists at AIG- the only thing you'll find there are ignorant, inbred posers with a fetish for fairy tales.
For the last time, theistards:
ICR was flunked, not expelled. Go back to remedial comprehension class.
I'm just baffled by the level of religious lunacy that resides in the comment sections of this blog.
It is horribly depressing to the point of almost wanting to jump off a bridge to escape that we live in a world in which so many people are so deluded by religious story-telling.
While I do personally think that ER can be over-abrasive, I can fully understand her frustration as I share it.
Lastly, I am disgusted by Creationists who call it persecution when people rightfully point out that their position is not science, is without evidence, and is not tenable on the grounds of rationality. I'm similarly disgusted when they cry out "EXPELLED!" when Creationists get shut down the way ICR did for trying to peddle their applied Biblical confirmation bias as science. Your beliefs are not science and they are not special.
You are too rude, Evolved. Tone it down.
Yeah, right. We face a well-organized, well-financed and well-armed, politically-empowered and delusional fundamentalist Christian contingent hell bent on absolute dominion and eradification of empirical observation and rational thought, who are willing to burn secular and liberal religious opponents at the stake and you worry about rudeness on the intertubes? You don't find their lies and distortions a little rude?
Yikes, I hope that I end up on a pyre next to you - I could probably use one last hearty laugh.
Evolved, more gas please.
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