Fundie: People are still dying from tuberculosis, AIDS, and other diseases, while hospitals and schools will still be a rare gem in remote areas of the world. People are still dying; people are still illiterate. So what good exactly does atheism bring to this world even if God really does not exist? Christianity makes a difference in the world, a good one, while Atheism offers zero sense of hope to the community of people.
This is an actual fundie argument that is so unbelievably stupid that I’m almost sure that a few neurons actually popped while reading it. Heck, I’m getting delirious.
This fundie actually has the gall to claim that since children are dying of diseases, the answer to their problems would be Christianity. Yes, folks! Would someone please enlighten me on how having Christianity shoved down their throats would solve the problems of disease and poverty? How has the Bible or even the famous Christian belief that illnesses are caused by demons/evil spirits led us to an understanding of the real causes and cures of diseases? Christianity has contributed absolutely nothing to humans in the course of finding cures for diseases or for increasing the general life expectancy of humans. Zero, zilch, nada.
Christians really need a few hard thumps on their heads with their Bibles if they actually think that Christianity is the answer to children dying of diseases. The germ theory of disease (and for those too daft to get it, this theory is a scientific and not a religious one) advanced modern medicine in just a few decades, far beyond what the Christian demon theory has contributed in over 2000 years. Where would we be if all the resources wasted to religion were instead channeled to humanitarian missions, educational outreach programs and research to find cures for presently incurable diseases? Tell me, you fundie morons: Where would we be?
Yes, many people are still living in poverty and many more are still illiterate, but religion is definitely not the answer to their problems. Hungry people need real food; for they cannot eat Bibles. Illiterate people need education and schools, not superstitions that teach a fatherless man coming back to life. Superstition did not get humans anywhere all these years, and the Christian mission to drag us all backward is a cancer, not a cure for the human race.
If Christians think that their Jesus cult is a solution to everything and that it is all they need, why don’t they just retreat to their caves and worship their sky daddy all day? Why are they using the products of science in the first place? Isn’t Jesus enough for them, as the Bible often proclaims?
Of course, consistency is not something you’d expect from Christians. Most of them are simply – in their language – worldly hypocrites.
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And now I call upon Jesus to burn this cancer out of your body!
Why has this site become so blasphemous? I did not know that evolution leads to blasphemy. Thanks for making sure that I remain a Christian creationist.
Anonymous - Let' see if I understand this right - you wish to remain a Christian creationist because arguments are made that you consider blasphemous? Of course this is entirely consistent with "if science or data contradicts my view of the bible then the science or data is wrong."
In what way did Christianity advance any science or medicine in 2000 years? Rather it stood as a major impediment.
As always I am astounded at the lack of logic within a creationist mind.
I have climbed mountains (on 2 hip replacements) because of modern medicine, not religion. My wife is alive today because of modern medicine, not religion.
BionicHips
HEY DARWINISTEXPOSED!!!
If people tried to live by science alone they would soon die without religion!!!!!!!!
Um...BionicHips it would be helpful if you would read/study some history (actually it would help you too shalanonymous). Many of the people who were key to the rise of modern science were...yep, you (didn't) guess it...Christians! Including Francis Bacon, Michael Faraday, Robert Boyle, George Cuvier, Isaac Newton, etc. etc. etc.
Religion and religious orders were the dominant givers of care (and founders of hospitals) all during the Middle Ages, and well beyond.
It was the monasteries and monks who preserved learning during the Dark Ages by copying down classic manuscripts, not to mention teaching basic skills of reading and writing.
We could go on and on, but it is patently false to say that Christianity is "opposed" to science or the scientific method or to scientific advancement. Or that it stood as a "major impediment" to the advance of science. That statement is based on hysteria and dogma, not facts.
I thought you guys were all about facts and data?!? Oh...I get it, they're only good when they support your side of the argument. Now there's a scientific approach for sure!
Tell that to the scientists who were burnt at the stake. Tell that to Galileo.
Picking in choosing again, just like your Bible.
Who is Shalanonymous?
If theistards had their way, scientists would still be burnt at the stake
Too bad there were not evolution scientists there to be burnt! We now have to suffer with evolution and we can't even kill or at least arrest scientists who mock GOD!
John Murphy
I disagree with your statements. The people who did the things you say were Christians, however, that was the world they lived in. They understood things that today's christians are unwilling to learn at all. Instead today's christians cling to religious dogma. The enlightenment of the past has passed right through their minds as so much wind. It is most unfortunate that in the 21st century we still have people who are as ignorant as the people of centuries ago. A true sadness regarding the state of humanity.
Creationist,
I think all religions are a crock of lies and I'm still alive. You fail.
Anonymous, thanks for your excellent display of Christian love. Fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw. Get out of the gene pool or live in a cave where you won't be bothered by science.
John,
While I disagree with your comments, I appreciate your thoughts. I don't think it is hysteria when the studies I read show that 50% of the US believe the earth is < 10,000 years old. Evolution is a major issue in this country because of Christianity - that is not an impediment to science? And why do they believe that? and the consequences?
Anyway, you seem to be the kind of person I would enjoy sharing a hike with and discussing this in a bit more detail than forums like this allow. I wish you well.
BionicHips
Xian trolls rock. Btw, "blasphemy" is simply a control mechanism intended to prevent dissent. While "Christians" might have been a part of scientific knowledge prior to Darwin, they are not any longer. Gee, I wonder why...
Samuel Skinner
Technically the Galileo affair is a bit.. messier than the basic story (he was found guilty of a technicallity). A better example would be Cissario Bruni (spelled right?) who was burnt at the stake. It is unclear exactly how much a scientist and how much of a, for lack of a better term, new ager, but his opinions were heretical (you know, maybe there are aliens out on other planets) so they killed him.
It is also worth remembering that most of the classical knowledge was preserved by the Arabs, not monks.
In addition all societies have things like hospitals, charity work and the like. Heck, even the Sov Union did that. However people don't take that in their favor. It is also worth noticing how the Church got the money for such activities- tithes. And if you didn't pay you burn in hell. See egalitarianism to kleptomacy in Guns, Germs and Steel for a description of how this works.
In an effort to bring...you know, data and facts to this discussion (as opposed to opinions with little basis in fact, but hey, who am I to throw stones) here is a partial list of living scientists who are Christians:
Francis Collins ("The Fingerprint of God" - great book); Charles Townsend - Noble Prize in Physics; Allan Sandage - astronomer; Antonio Zichichi - Italian physicist; John Polkinghorne - if you don't know him, you don't know much about science; Owen Gingrich - astronomer; Eric Priest - astronomer; Henry Schaefer - chemist; Hugh Ross - astronomer (founder of "Reasons to Believe" does NOT believe in a young earth...yep, it's possible to be a Christian and not believe in a young earth).
Shalanonymous...to your credit I have to give you the award for "most imaginative thing to do with a rusty chainsaw."
BionicHips: Thanks, I am an avid "do-anything-outdoors" person and love to debate things. I'm not one to take offense when my worldview is challenged. My favorite quote is from Frederick Buechner: "The opposite of faith is not doubt, the opposite of faith is unbelief. Doubts are the ants in the pants of faith, they keep it alive. They keep it moving."
John, it would probably be more accurate to say that religion is an obstacle to scientific advancement that is seen as contrary to religious dogma. At present, this seems to be a bigger problem in the Islamic world.
I, living in Italy, quite frankly can't see a good reason not to believe in evolution. Here, but in europe in general too, that's not even in discussion. Evolution is, by now, accepted as a scientific fact and considered true even by clergymen.
Why? They accept the bible to be a symbolic book inspired by god in the mind of a man from well beyond 4000 years ago. He didn't have the techincal knowledges to explain it any better than he did, that's why it is "inspired".
You can see it every time it makes comparisons between god and his people and a sheperd and his herd. They were sheperds! he needed to make it so that the "target audience" could understand.
Now, before you ask, i'm not an atheist nor am i a theist, i'm agnostic on principle but i see the good that has been done by both sides. And the bad.
Samuel Skinner
Actually I believe they accept evolution because the bacteria keep on mutating- and the ones resistant to drugs proliferate. It is sort of why all spaceship designers accept the world is round.
Here's an example of how Christianity helps people. Granted few Christians are as stupid as the ones in this story, but still...
http://gaytheistagenda.lavenderliberal.com/2008/03/28/behold-the-power-of-prayer-11-year-old-girl-dead/
It's scary to see how some people think hopes and dreams will cure cancer before applied science...
While some Christians may have good intentions, religion isn't going to solve all of life's problems alone. I'm not saying atheism is the answer either, but at least atheists don't shut out science because it contradicts laws outlined in one book.
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