Fundie Claim #12: Atheists and religion
6/06/2008 | 12:01 AM | Evolved Rationalist
Fundie: Why do atheists spend so much time convincing others that there is no God/talking about religion? This is because they know that there is a God and want to hide the truth of God!
Here is an excellent response from Michael at atheistperspective.com:
For the reason that a priest considers sin,My longer post why I don't just 'live and let live' when it comes to religion can be found here.
for the reason that a police officer considers crime,
for the reason that a doctor considers disease;
I consider religion.
Not to cherish or esteem or glorify,
but to understand, to assuage and to remedy.
Sorry, fundies. Atheists discussing religion has nothing to do with how much we want to hide the truth of your particular god. Nice try, now take a ride on the failboat again.
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Why do the fundies always seem to forget 2 Tim 2:23, “But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.”?
If theists, especially fundies, would stop fucking with education, quit coming to my door, quit preaching to my kids ... basically just shut the fuck up ... then I'd shut up too.
I don't give a flying fuck what a theist does in their own head, as long as they leave everyone else alone. If they can't do that, then I've got to speak up, to stop them harming others.
So to theists: you started it, so you all stop first.
Good luck with that.
In the meantime, it isn't about "converting" people. You don't "make" an atheist. You can help someone who's already searching for a way out, by pointing out where the exit signs are, but you can't make someone think if they're determined not to.
Mostly it's just about pointing out how much fundies just can't stop themselves - they lie, cheat, steal, and hate, and then go around again on the carousel of failure. How they accuse others of what they do themselves. How they can never admit their solutions don't work (it's always that you just have to do it more, and harder). How they make people stupid, and stop them asking questions. How they perceive abuse as love, confusion as depth, and ignorance as strength. How they make people intolerant, stupid and cruel. How, in fact, they fail as humans.
A few people see what they were already beginning to notice, but that's not convincing people there's no God. The rare times I have ever discussed God with a doubting theist, they already figured that out God didn't exist already themselves, they just felt lost and didn't know what to do next.
(The answer, is of course, just to learn to think for yourself and not believe everything you're told. You don't need anyone telling you what to do; that's what fundies do.)
And then of course there is the annoying factor that certain types of fundies do. It used to be just mormons, but now the evangelicals come around too to talk about jesus and his 7 dwarves.
Of course there are ways to get back
Um, Eric...what exactly is your point?
Efrique: Please give me a transcendent definition of what exactly is "cruel," oh, and while you're at it, why are you so intolerant of our (Christians) intolerance?
*ahem*
http://www.nullifidian.net/2007/07/09/why-i-consider-religion/
Fancy seeing one of my awful poems doing the rounds. :-)
If Atheists talk about god so much trying to hide him which is opposite of what they believe, would the contrary mean that Xians talk about god so much to hide the fact he doesn't exist? hmmmm....
Ooh, "live and let live." This is a touchy area for me. I left religion almost a decade ago and am now more of a secular humanist. When I started reading your blog (about, uh, 30 minutes ago), I noticed the "evangelical atheist" thing. Made me raise an eyebrow.
One thing that has always bothered me about many atheists is the way they've made atheism a religion of sorts by trying to convert people.
In my mind, it sort of defeats the purpose.
I've tried to take the rational approach to avoid this and begrudgingly settled on donning the tragically trendy title of "agnostic." My reasoning: I don't believe that God exists because I have no proof; I don't believe God can't exist because I have no proof. It's scientifically unfalsifiable and, in a scientific context, moot. So really, the question of existence is a non-issue to me.
And as a non-Christian, I possess the ability to detect nuance; I see where you're coming from. Most of it seems reactionary. The fundies are fucking aggressive with their little pisspot ideology and nobody has really told them to STFU.
....aaaand I can't really complain about attacking the bastards' religion, either. Not after I had "Fundie Week" on my own blog, heh.